Are fighters allowed to use other types of martial arts in UFC, since it’s called “Mixed Martial Arts”?

by MasterBlaster on July 28, 2010

Question by §® The Heart Of Asia Part 5 ®§: Are fighters allowed to use other types of martial arts in UFC, since it’s called “Mixed Martial Arts”?

Most MMA fighters use the combinations of Brazillian Jujitsu, Muay Thai, Tae-Kwon-Do. But what about other types of martial arts that have deadly strikes such as Kung Fu, Wushu. Are fighters allowed to used those lethal strikes in those Chinese martial arts.

PLEASE!!!! Don’t tell me that “Chinese martial arts don’t work in MMA or they’re not as good as Brazillian Jujitsu, Muay Thai”.

Chinese martial arts HAD EXISTED for over 1,000 of years. Those warriors back in the day relied on their martial art skills as their sole strategies in the close proximate combats.

As for those of you heard the comment made by Jet Li that “he wouldn’t survive in the cage match” or something like that. Does it occur to “MOST OF YOU” that he may be humbled and did NOT necessarily feel that he had to be showy or competitive in the public media?

The philosophy of practicing martial art is NOT about being arrogant, showy. It’s about the discipline of the mind and the body.
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@ christ b:

Wushu & Kung Fu aren’t just only “flashy”, they can be used to kill the oponent just 1 strike with a knuckle on the throat, then he’ll be gone. That’s why they are so dangerous.

Wushu & Kung Fu don’t rely on muscle strength so to speak but rather their inner chi strengths.
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@ callsignfuzzy:

Before Jet Li was the master of Wushu before he was a movie star. So it’s NOT like he’s the Hollywood movie star that doesn’t know anything about martial art and “needs to be trained” for the camera. So you assume ALL Wushu, Kung Fu, Win Chun martial artists are just for “show”? You’re mistaken, Chinese fighters don’t necessarily use “muscle strength”, a guy can be only 150 lbs & if he would strike his 250 lbs opponent right on the throat with his knuckle full force, his opponent would die instantly.

And trust me! Those Shaolin monks practice their Kung Fu are NOT for the sake of the tourists’ entertainment either. Although, they’re performers as you might have seen on the media, but they were the warriors that were trained to kill off their enemy invaders back in the day.

Have you seen those Chinese fighters fight with their knuckles all the time instead of their close fists? There is a certain reason for that.
Have you seen them practice punching the concrete cement surface tirelessly day after day until their fists become numbs and hard.

The only way can tell who is the best fighter is to pick 1 of the best MMA fighter against one of the best Wushu, Kung Fu fighter, have them fight in to the end. Then we’ll see who would walk out of the match NOT just win but also alive.

Best answer:

Answer by The king of barnie town
Loyoto Machida uses karate, and Cung Le uses Sanshou. Not many use Tae kwon do in mma. Most MMA fighters usually use judo, jujitsu, muay thai, boxing, and wrestling.

EDIT: mixed martial arts is what the name is. Use any combination of martial arts. You can use anything from kung fu to wrestling, for boxing to jujitsu.

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enriquemontanez13 July 28, 2010 at 14:34

hey answer my mma question
yeah everybody can use other martial arts aslong as it doesnt interfere with rules

chris b July 28, 2010 at 14:47

yes other matial arts used are Judo, Kickboxing, Shotokan Karate, kenpo, Sambo, boxing, Savate was used in UFC 1, Pancration (shootfighting) and Tae Kwon Do.

I think the reason for lack of chinese martial arts is the fact that until recently chinese martial arts were rare in USA, mostly korean and japanese arts were available. The other reason that mostly BJJ/JJJ, muay thai and wrestling are used is because when the UFC first started they pitted style against style, from the practicioners that showed up they found that these three styles were dominating and people started cross training so that they would be able to counter the techniques and then use those techniques to compliment their primary style.. thus MMA was born and the primary focus was those three or four (if you count judo) styles.

Any fighting style is acceptable if they can use their skill within the rules..All Martial Arts have deadly strikes, it just isn’t exclusive to Chinese Martial Arts. Also, it seems that Chinese martial arts (along from Capeoira) are somewhat flashy and acrobatic in nature, this isn’t necessarily the best technique inside a cage where range of movement is somewhat limited..

Daniel July 28, 2010 at 14:49

I totally agree with you. I train in Chi-Kong, and have also been training in Taekwondo for 4 years, and just started mma. While I immensely enjoy the other arts, if someone was to master a chinese art, they would be deadly. Back in the day in China, they would fight in SERIOUS competitions and face permanent injuries. Parents would show up to beg their son’s opponent not to injury him. It is some serious shit and it would dominate in the UFC.

Although, the UFC isn’t a proper measurement of skill. The only reason Brock is the champion is because of his size. Not skill. It’s his size that leads him to dominate. Once and a while you will get an actual properly trained fighter such as Anderson Silva. He trained in the original arts, not in this cross-style watered down American crap. If a chinese fighter who mastered one of your mentioned such as Wushu, Kung Fu, Win Chun, or any other and had some ground defense, he would be legendary.

MMA is a bunch of techniques. No philosophy, no history, no meaning.While I respect Mixed Martial Arts have to say, Traditional Martial Arts all the way.

hsoj July 28, 2010 at 14:51

Yes they are allowed, but you must follow the rules.

Brock July 28, 2010 at 15:21

First off you never see Taekwondo in MMA. The reason people use Muay Thai, Boxing, BJJ and Wrestling its because they work. You rarely see these other arts such as Kung Fu, Karate, Taekwondo and Aikido because they simply don’t work against some who knows who to fight in other arts such as Muay Thai. I don’t care that you think you can kill a person with one strike and all this crap. Every time a Kung Fu practioner hopped into the ring with a Muay Thai guy the man gets destroyed. Kung Fu existed for over 1000 years, Muay Thai is pretty old as well and the roots of BJJ go back to the Samurai, Boxing is probably the oldest ever same with wrestling and now theres MMA to prove which ones work and that has been proven.

callsignfuzzy July 28, 2010 at 15:29

There is no restriction on the type of martial art one can use in MMA competition. Guys like Sami Berik and Jason Delucia have had Chinese martial arts backgrounds. Many of the fighters from China’s “Art of War” MMA promotion are home-grown San Shou and Shuai Jiao fighters.

But Jet Li would get killed in MMA. It has nothing to do with the martial art he practices as much as the fact that he’s not been trained to fight, he’s been trained to look good for the camera. He was a Forms champion; I’m not sure he’s ever sparred a day in his life, and practicing how to fight is kind of essential if you want to actually fight. The guy’s a movie star. By it’s nature, that’s pretty showy for the public media. As for competitive, as I said, he’s a former Forms champion. He’s done competitive martial arts before. I’m a fan of his movies, especially the ones without the wire work, but come on. Let’s be realistic here.

“Before Jet Li was the master of Wushu before he was a movie star. So it’s NOT like he’s the Hollywood movie star that doesn’t know anything about martial art and “needs to be trained” for the camera.”

Jet Li has been trained in forms, not applications. He’s been trained to look pretty. I have no evidence he’s ever sparred in his entire life. Maybe you don’t understand enough of what goes on in China’s national Wushu program, but it’s much closer to gymnastics than authentic martial arts. Real fighting isn’t pretty; the corrolary to this is that most stuff that looks pretty is no good for real fighting. Even Li himself says, “I’ve been studing wushu for 30 years now and it was never my intention to engage in any physical combat”

http://jetli.com/jet/index.php?l=en&s=body&ss=questions&p=x&date=011013_0202

“So you assume ALL Wushu, Kung Fu, Win Chun martial artists are just for “show”?”

No, and stop putting words into my mouth. I’ve trained Wing Chun myself over the years, as well as some Northern Shaolin and a little T’ai Chi, as well as having some training partners with backgrounds in Five Animals Kung Fu, Tiang Lang (Mantis), and Hou Quan. The consensus is that the striking skills offer no advantage over a good kickboxing program (probably worse, which I’ll get to below), the grappling is sub-par, and the only real benefit is ancillary skills (trapping) that have only a small window of opportunity to be used. Those that can actually make their stuff work train like kickboxers/Muay Thai fighters. Investigate San Shou, or full-contact Wushu.

“Chinese fighters don’t necessarily use “muscle strength”, a guy can be only 150 lbs & if he would strike his 250 lbs opponent right on the throat with his knuckle full force, his opponent would die instantly.”

First, muscles are necessary for movement. This is the science of anatomy. If you don’t use “muscle strenghth” in the literal sense, you don’t move. You’re a jellyfish.

Second, striking someone in the throat with the knuckle has nothing to do with “muscle strength”. Boxers, kickboxers, karateka, etc use the same biomechanics to strike. Push off with the foot, twist the hip, whirl the shoulders, etc. Chinese martial arts don’t have some monopoly on power generation.

Third, it would be very difficult to hit a trained fighter in the throat. Because people who actually spar full-contact on a regular basis know the dangers of getting hit, they do a better job than non-sparring “martial artists” of protecting themselves. In particular, “hands up, chin down” is one of the first things taught in boxing, Muay Thai, and so on. Tucking your chin protects your throat, among other things.

Finally, I have no evidence that being struck in the throat would end in death. I’ve seen guys punched in the throat, and I’ve even been kicked there. It sucks, but it’s survivable. There’s a lot of give in that part of the body. People have even survived a crushed larynx. And this last bit defines the difference between people who spar and people who don’t: those who don’t only have theory, and those who do have practical knowledge.

“And trust me! Those Shaolin monks practice their Kung Fu are NOT for the sake of the tourists’ entertainment either. Although, they’re performers as you might have seen on the media, but they were the warriors that were trained to kill off their enemy invaders back in the day.”

Trust you, or trust those who have been there? In “Me, Chi, and Bruce Lee”, author and martial artist Brian Prestion travelled to Shaolin; it had turned into a tourist trap, period. In “A Monk From Brooklyn”, Antonio Graceffo talked about how easily he defeated students at the Temple because they had no boxing, no wrestling, and no strategy. He was impressed with their ability to do tricks (finger-tip handstands, etc), but they weren’t fighters. Moreover, the original Temples were destroyed by the Manchu, and then by the Communists (the so-called “Cultural Revolution”); those who are there now have no direct lineage to the original monks who, history says, were probably no better than government soldiers anyway.

“The only way can tell who is the best fighter is to pick 1 of the best MMA fighter against one of the best Wushu, Kung Fu fighter, have them fight in to the end. Then we’ll see who would walk out of the match NOT just win but also alive.”

This is silly. You’ve gone from, “Are all styles allowed in MMA” to “we need to have kung fu fighters fight MMA fighters”. It’s clear you’re just pushing an agenda at this point. The ring, cage, mat, or street is where theory meets practice. There have been practitioners from Chinese martial arts (you do understand that “kung fu” doesn’t diractly relate to martial arts, right?) in MMA, and none of them have exactly set the world on fire. They’ve either got mediocre records (Delucia, Berik) or have faced hand-picked competition (Cung Le facing smaller fighters, Bao Li Gao facing no-names, etc). I’m looking forward to seeing more San Shou/San Da and Shuai Jiao fighters in MMA, but I don’t expect them to have the game-changing impact that BJJ practitioners, Western wrestlers, or Muay Thai specialists have had in the past.

The Bay SFFL July 28, 2010 at 16:11

yes. fighters are allowed to use whatever martial arts they want. even ‘street brawler’ is credited as a type of fighting or form of art…well, yea you get the picture.

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