have done?Brock Lesnar,Randy Couture and many many more have been FAILURES to make it even in the Olympics so i wonder to myself people like THE ULTIMATE HEAVYWEIGHT DOMINANT FIGHTER FROM ANY COMBAT SPORT EASILY like Alexander Karelin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Karelin
Or the greatest Heavyweight Judoka ever David Douillet that forced Japanese name him greatest HW Judoka of 20th century in their own national sport
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Douillet
So i ask if failures ( i do not call them names,i respect them,failures is a fact not an insult) like Lesnar,Couture, Carwain, who are b ,c or d level Wrestlers can dominate,then what Douillet or Karelin (SPECIALLY HIM) would have done?WIN FOR EVER?
Consider the size of both men as well!
In case i offend some people i am sorry,but Lesnar,Couture,Carwain are failures who did not even made it at the Olympics ,they were nothing but local champions,that is the truth!
Easily!
rtwil1103 a darn failure NCAA is a national university what is the big deal about it?
A bunch of American college boys fight so ??
Russians smoke them in every single Olympics in any combat sport,boy get real!
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That is an awesome picture LOL fedor as a terminator, now THAT is scary
MMA fighters have to be smart to be #1. Not all wrestlers are.
I think Karelin would have a better transition to MMA than Lesnar. While Lesnar is a physical freak of nature, he didn’t compete at the same level of wrestling that Karelin did.
Olympic competition > NCAA competition
While just about ANY form of wrestling is good for MMA, I think that Greco-Roman wrestling (Karelin’s style) is better suited for it. Controlling upper body tie ups and clinching are vital for success in MMA, and at one point in time (a LONG point in time, actually) Karelin was the best on the planet at it.
The man was a true beast.
I’m sure Karelin would have been pretty darn good at any combat sport he would have tried.
Dan Gable and Cael Sanderson were absolutely tenacious on the mat, they would have been awesome.
Rulon Gardner (who beat Karelin in 2000 Olympics for the gold 1-0) fought once in MMA under K-1, won his fight, then quit. He didn’t like punching people in the face.
Uhm…how much do you really know about wrestling, judo, and MMA? You may vote down my response but you have no idea what you are talking about. To call a National Junior College Champion and NCAA Division 1 champ, a NCAA Division 2 champ, and a 3x olympic alternate a “b, c, or d Wrestler” not only shows you don’t really have a clue what you are talking about but that you are indeed trying to insult them. How can you call Lesnar and Carwain failures at Olympic wrestling when they never even tried out?
Besides just because someone is a Gold Medalist at the Olympics means nothing in a sport that combines a number of different aspects. Olympic caliber athletes have been coming into MMA since nearly the beginning of the sport with mixed results of success.
Here is a little history lesson:
Kevin Jackson – Gold medal wrestling – 4-2 in MMA. After losing to Frank Shamrock and Jerry Bolander he was cut by the UFC and only ever had 1 more fight in his career on a regional show
Townsend Saunders – Silver medal wrestling – 0-2 in MMA. Gave up after not finding success in the new sport
Kenny Monday – Gold medal wrestling – 1-0 in MMA. Only ever had 1 fight on a regional circuit and said later the sport wasn’t for him
Mark Schultz – Gold medal wrestling – 1-1 in MMA. Tried the sport on a whim when he was cornering a fighter in the UFC and another fighter pulled out. Left the sport to coach wrestling
Rulon Gardner – Gold & Bronze medals wrestling – 1-0 in MMA. Beat Yoshida in an extremely boring fight. Lost a toe to frostbite and was forced to retire from the sport
Karam Gaber Ibrahim – Gold medal wrestling – 0-1 in MMA. An absolute beast at wrestling and a legend in the sport was KO’ed in 1 minute in 7 seconds in MMA.
Ray Mercer – Gold medal boxing – 1-1 in MMA.
Hidehiko Yoshida – Gold medal judo – 8-7-1 in MMA. A legend in Japan but a completely average MMA fighter
Makoto Takimoto – Gold medal judo. 6-5 in MMA.
Pawel Nastula – Gold medal judo. 1-4 in MMA. One of the best judaka’s ever even winning over 300 straight fights in a 3 year span but completely destroyed in MMA
Matt Lindland – Silver medal wrestling. 21-6 in MMA. Lindland is by far the most successful Olympic medal winner but even he has been unable to win a belt in MMA.
This doesn’t include the young guns pouring into the sport (Henry Cejundo, Daniel Cormier, Ben Arsken, etc) but a medal in another sport means absolutely nothing in MMA.
As for how Alexander Karelin would do in MMA…he was offered a fight and declined instead opting for a pro-wrestling match with a predetermined outcome in the Rings promotion back in 1999. That is the real truth!
edit/addition: Are you really this ignorant? First you claim that Lesnar/Carwain were “failures” because they didn’t compete in the Olympics…but they never even tried! It is like claiming John Elway was a failure at baseball because he chose the NFL instead. Secondly, your main arguement was those who are “failures” at wrestling were champions in MMA so those that are champions at wrestling should easily dominate MMA…I again proved you are full of crap. And now you want to compare the professional training of Russian Olympians to the American system for selecting athletes?
I guess failures at wrestling can become great mma fighters. So obviously great wrestlers will dominate mma even more than carwin, lesnar and couture.
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